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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Okay, all right and excellent. So thank you so much for coming to the dear business coach podcast. Today. Taruna, Ramani is that how I say your name properly.
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Taruna Ramani: Correct.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Okay, I have to. I have to double check. And I thank you again for coming today. I have some very important questions to ask you about speaking skills?
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): you know, I need to ask you first, st how are you doing today?
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Taruna Ramani: Doing great. I'm doing great. And I'm really looking forward to the year 2025. Yeah.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Good me, too. Me, too. I'm glad to hear you say that, so let's get started, and I have some I'm looking at your Linkedin profile, and that is
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): linkedin.com forward, slash in forward slash, taruna! Hyphen Romani! So that's easy to find, and as I mentioned, I have some details here. I'd like to
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): read aloud to you about yourself. So on. Linkedin, the about section says
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): some details about speaking skills. And basically, you say to me? Are you tired of being held back by your fears and insecurities? Do you long to command attention and leave a lasting impression? Are you ready to elevate your communication skills and consider this a crucial step towards your transformation and transformation is in all capital letters. That's exciting. You say I bring to you an opportunity that promises
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): whoops. I moved my cursor. You say that I bring to you an opportunity that promises evolution and growth in your personal and professional life. Don't let fear self-doubt or lack of confidence hold you back. Imagine the countless opportunities you've missed because you were hesitant, and to demonstrate your abilities. The fight is real, but you don't have to face it alone.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): and I should also say that you are a Tedx Andover speaker. I see in your background some detail, and
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): you are a keynote speaker, international keynote speaker, corporate communication trainer, and and specifically a public speaking expert. So when I 1st looked at your profile. This is what I brought up with you when we met before your profile. The photo banner says, are your speaking skills
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): holding back your success, and that
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): really stands out stands out to me because the 1st thing I get a little bit offended when I see that banner, and maybe that's on purpose to make me stop. Now, wait a minute. I know my speaking skills aren't maybe the best. But what is about my speaking? Holding me back. I'm actually doing something in my speaking that's holding me back is the way that I felt when I read that. So, Taruna, maybe tell me a little bit about what we can learn from you here today.
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Taruna Ramani: So 1st of all, thank you so much for this opportunity, Elizabeth, because I strongly feel that I need to send this message out to more and more people, because
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Taruna Ramani: sometimes they accept the status quo. To think that you know this is how things are, and this is how things will go.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Sure.
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Taruna Ramani: It is not the truth, because.
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Taruna Ramani: however, wherever your speaking skills are right now, you can elevate them purposefully. It is an acquired skill, public speaking, quite skill. Each and every one of us can take it not just higher. If we are very strategic about it.
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Taruna Ramani: about the gaps, and how we can bridge those gaps right?
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Taruna Ramani: So when you said that my banner struck you on my Linkedin.
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Taruna Ramani: that is the truth, because each and every one of us, you know, if our speaking skills are communication skills, speaking and communication, let me just put it as 2 different things. For now.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Okay.
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Taruna Ramani: Could be speaking your heart out, you could be speaking all the knowledge that you have.
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Taruna Ramani: But are you communicating it in a way that is resonating with your audience is the question that you need to ask yourself.
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Taruna Ramani: and if it is not, then you are clearly holding your success back right, because, since
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Taruna Ramani: does not come with your expertise alone, it never does.
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Taruna Ramani: You know there are people, your target audience that you need to resonate with strongly, and when they resonate with you, and you resonate with them.
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Taruna Ramani: they see that spark in you right, they see your abilities better, they see your capabilities more they see your worth a little better, a little more.
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Taruna Ramani: That is what leads you to success. Your knowledge or expertise alone does not lead you to success. It never does.
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Taruna Ramani: So
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Taruna Ramani: in one sentence, that is what I was trying to put out on our Linkedin banner to see.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Sure.
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Taruna Ramani: Possibly your speaking skills are holding back your success intentionally or unintentionally.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Well, that
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): makes me think immediately. That I, you know, need to evaluate, maybe. How do I know if I'm resonating with people with my audience, and I imagine that if if I'm coming to you, I might be getting ready for speaking to a room of people and
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): So let me stop as well and say that your Linkedin profile has a has a hyperlink, so I can actually schedule a 1 on one session with you, and this is what I am reading and reading now is
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): that there are. There are some actual
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): things that you highlight on on your on your scheduling page that we might work on, and one of them is nervousness, and another is voice modulation challenges. You mentioned strategy a few minutes ago, and that sounds
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): that sounds like really what we would get into the meat of things when I would work with you, one on one. But for right. This second, the 1st thing that I that comes to mind is voice modulation challenges. You have a really.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): very, very nice voice to listen to. And do you get a lot of clients who are are interested in first? st At? They're worried about like literally the voice, the tone of my voice, do I sound okay to listen to is that something that
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): I should be concerned about.
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Taruna Ramani: So. You know, Elizabeth, when people come to me I get on a discovery call with them right
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Taruna Ramani: because they are coming to me for a reason. They have a purpose in mind. They feel that they are not good of good enough at some part of communication. Right?
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Taruna Ramani: I want to hear them.
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Taruna Ramani: I want to hear what they feel. Their challenges are right, and I always tell them
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Taruna Ramani: and come up with 3 things that you want to work on.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Right.
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Taruna Ramani: And then in my 1st session with them, I do a quick assessment
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Taruna Ramani: to to see if they are
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Taruna Ramani: leveled up at certain skills that should be a given
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Taruna Ramani: in front of an audience. So I'm checking off my boxes at my end when I give them a chance to speak right. That's a quick assessment on my part. So it's not about what I can teach you or
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Taruna Ramani: what you want to learn. I want it to be what you want and what I can help you with.
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Taruna Ramani: So it's important to me that I'm listening to my audience to sorry to the person who's coming to me right.
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Taruna Ramani: helping them with what they are looking for. And then, as someone who has been working
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Taruna Ramani: in the field for over 20 years. Now
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Taruna Ramani: there are gaps that I can very clearly, very quickly see as well. Right? So I offer to help them with those
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Taruna Ramani: as well as help them with what they are looking for, so that it is a strong well, rounded effort on both our parts to elevate their public speaking skills. Yeah.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Okay? So you have a, you have a
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): a talent, a skill, a built skill, and for
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): finding gaps. And you said, I think
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): that you can help immediately level up.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): or at least right away, you can spot things that I could level up.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): That should be a given
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): hmm! What are some given things that I should be exhibiting as a speaker, that you might be looking for.
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Taruna Ramani: Okay? So sure the basics are voice modulation. Right? How are you engaging with your voice, with your body language?
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Taruna Ramani: That is a basic, your hand, gestures, and everything. Next, are you engaging your audience enough? There are clear strategies and tools to engage your audience. Are you engaging your audience. Well.
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Taruna Ramani: so those are things that I will look for your confidence level as you're speaking. Those silent cues that you are giving me, that say that you know you are not confident with what you are saying. Now, if you believe in what you are saying, your audience will believe in what you are saying very clearly, right?
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Taruna Ramani: So how do you project that belief in the way you're speaking
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Taruna Ramani: is what I can help with.
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Taruna Ramani: So I always help with 2 things, one is the content.
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Taruna Ramani: and the second is the presentation.
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Taruna Ramani: Even if you are, if you're good with one of the 2, you are not elevated to that
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Taruna Ramani: that you are a confident, great speaker. So your confidence as a speaker, depends on your content
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Taruna Ramani: and your presentation both. Right? So I help with both. Yeah.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Okay, so tell. So tell me what?
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): it's hard for me to not skip right to this post that I saw on your page about what you you give I think it's on your featured section where you tell us some
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): wonderful closers. What are some guaranteed things that could help you wrap up your talk or or help you close, and it's really hard to not want to jump right to that and ask you about that information in that post, because I know that in the middle of speaking to a room, that's how we keep, or that's how I feel like I struggle is, what do I do in the middle of my speech, in the middle of my story.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): to make sure that people are still interested. Hopefully, I got them interested even at the beginning. So you said a minute ago, making sure that people are engaged, that I'm engaging my audience properly.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Is that just as simple as like asking the audience a question every once in a while, or what might be some tools there that
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): are tried and true, I guess. What are some of the basics that
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): we should always do? Or is there a formula for that.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): you know? Interestingly, Elizabeth, I've broken it all into formulas.
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Taruna Ramani: Because I'm like, I share formulas with people, actionable formulas that they can work on. And of course, even for engaging your audience, there is you asked me if
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Taruna Ramani: a question is something that we should ask periodically in between?
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Taruna Ramani: Yes, you can, and you should. It is one of the many tools that you can use. Right?
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Taruna Ramani: a question. A rhetorical question is.
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Taruna Ramani: in my opinion, it is a way to
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Taruna Ramani: keep them alert. Right question does not expect a response, but it is something that is thought provoking that makes them think about what you are saying. It
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Taruna Ramani: keeps them focused on what you are saying. Right? It provokes thinking
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Taruna Ramani: is what a rhetorical question is. So of course you can ask those questions. You can ask questions that they can respond to. You can share stories right? There is huge power in storytelling. It is a great way to connect with your
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Taruna Ramani: audience, and there are. There has to be a very clear strategy to a story right? And not be sharing just about any story. So definitely, there has to be
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Taruna Ramani: a purpose to your story. How do you align the story? Where do you put in the story all of those
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Taruna Ramani: important things? And even though you might have a great story to share. How do you present it in a way that
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Taruna Ramani: it elevates the message that you have to share in your speech. Right? So
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Taruna Ramani: public speaking is all about strategies, Elizabeth. That's what I've advised that you have to be very sure of how you want to use your knowledge that you're sharing? How do you infuse stories? Where do you infuse them? What is the purpose of those stories? How do you open? How do you close? How do you engage your audience? That is a purpose to everything. You do it in a right way. And, voila!
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Taruna Ramani: It's a great.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Okay.
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Taruna Ramani: So do you have a tip for.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): How to insert stories into a speech. Is that hard to do? Easy to do.
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Taruna Ramani: You know, it sounds like storytelling could be easy. Right? You're talking.
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Taruna Ramani: Be someone's stories. But if you're not strategizing it in a way that it is meaningful.
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Taruna Ramani: you will lose your audience attention, or it just falls flat. You know I am so.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): I don't.
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Taruna Ramani: A moment. My I need to grab my charger. I can search.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Okay, take your time.
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Taruna Ramani: Just give me a second, please.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Okay.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Oh, I can. Yeah, we'll just.
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Taruna Ramani: I'm back. I'm sorry about that.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): They're from.
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Taruna Ramani: So, yeah. So you said, sometimes, if you don't, strategy is important and some and sometimes I could put a story into a talk or a speech, and it
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Hopefully has the effectiveness I'm looking for, but it could fall flat, and so maybe strategy is how I would prepare for that.
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Taruna Ramani: When do you use a story? At what point point of your speech are you using? A story is important
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Taruna Ramani: and
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Taruna Ramani: out of all the stories that you might have, which is the one that is the most effective one that you want to use. Does it tie to your message?
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Taruna Ramani: And that's important. And then you know, how long do you
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Taruna Ramani: say your story in a way that you know you're not going on and on and on, or you are cutting it so short that
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Taruna Ramani: it is not impactful at all. So these are strategies, you know you you have to understand. So I very strongly believe, Elizabeth, that
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Taruna Ramani: that is power in words.
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Taruna Ramani: If you align them in a right way, you are making solid impact on your audience. So
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Taruna Ramani: you know that's what I do, and I have seen
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Taruna Ramani: beautiful speeches come out when the thoughts are aligned in the right way. I'm also a Tedx speaker coach right.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Yeah.
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Taruna Ramani: Recently did it for a Tedx, and over I've done it for Tedx Camden before so, and all of those speakers, you know, they've had great thoughts, but the alignment. When I was working with my speakers we aligned the thoughts in a way
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Taruna Ramani: that it was beautiful. It was magical, it was impactful. So
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Taruna Ramani: the content itself never works that magic right?
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Taruna Ramani: Like when you're cooking, you know, a lot of us
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Taruna Ramani: would know how to go past that, but certain people do it in certain way that like oh, you know what, my pasta! I
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Taruna Ramani: boiled it to that right
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Taruna Ramani: level where it was, you know. It's just perfect for it, or the mixing of the sauces. It's the same with the public speaking.
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Taruna Ramani: This is what I've realized over years that
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Taruna Ramani: use, use the right strategies, and then anyone
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Taruna Ramani: can become a great public speaker because it is an acquired skill.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): So have you always been a naturally great speaker.
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Taruna Ramani: You know, I've always been confident about talking to people
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Taruna Ramani: right? I've always loved interacting with people
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Taruna Ramani: as a debater. When I was growing up. So it came naturally to me.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Okay, you did. You were, you did. You were a debater growing up.
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Taruna Ramani: Yes, in school I was a debater. So it came naturally to me, Elizabeth, but as a coach
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Taruna Ramani: I've helped so many individuals, you know, get a strong handle on their communication skills. So that's why, coming from someone who says that they are very you know, they
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Taruna Ramani: they had the communication skill, and growing up. I also say confidently that it's an acquired skill.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Well, of course, and I have found personally that
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): the per there's there's sometimes just practicing is fantastic.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): However, speaking of sharing stories, sometimes I get so comfortable sharing my story that I end up adding extra details, or I forget how long I've been speaking. And so these are technical tools or technical things, I guess. But is that? Is it literally helpful in, in the strategic way to
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): to figure out those things ahead of time like timing. What are the details? Is that something that you could actually
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): listen for? Could I practice speaking for you? And you could actually
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): pull out some technical things like that for me about. Well, you know your your story's too long. Maybe.
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Taruna Ramani: Yes, in fact, yes, there are ways that we can find those things out. You know. I was working with a speaker who had great, great, great thoughts, ideas, and author herself.
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Taruna Ramani: The alignment of the message was something that we really needed to
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Taruna Ramani: put together strategically in a better way, so that her talk could be as powerful, as impactful as it was. You know she had written the whole piece, and for me to just
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Taruna Ramani: see it, I could quickly sense that it was beautiful. The thought was, it was very thought-provoking speech.
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Taruna Ramani: but I just felt that the alignment of the it was not flowing the way it should. So the moment we fix that glitch, if I may.
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Taruna Ramani: It was beautiful. Her ideas. What she wanted to share was amazing right? So yes, to answer your question. Yes, you can.
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Taruna Ramani: you know, looking at a speech or a talk, you say. You know, if you would have placed this in this way.
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Taruna Ramani: it would have been more impactful. Right? When you are, when you have a shorter time to speak to your audience, or you know, when you're making that
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Taruna Ramani: pitch
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Taruna Ramani: as a startup, you have limited time, you have your experience, you have your passion, that you want to say things with. You have a goal to get a buy in from
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Taruna Ramani: the investors. How do you put it all together in a limited time? It is important. When you're doing a Tedx stock again, you come to speak because you have something very strong to share right.
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Taruna Ramani: Is limited time to put it together. So how do you do it? In a way that it's impactful?
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Taruna Ramani: There has to be a strategy to it. Right? So I always feel that you have to be mindful of
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Taruna Ramani: your audience. How you want to put your content out. What is your goal. What is the impact that you want to put out there?
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Taruna Ramani: Have you understood your audience? Have you done an audience analysis even before you went on to speak. All of these are important things to put it out. There.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Well, so yes, and and I I wonder if you can share with me? Why.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): you know, with it, with why is it so.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Maybe this contributes to nervousness. But if I'm speaking across different
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): rooms, different cultures, different types of teams, right? Or even within one company, I might have different departments that feel a little bit different culturally. So is that difficult as a coach? I want to know, maybe from you personally behind the scenes. Is that
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): a bigger challenge? If you're helping me as a speaker, learn how to address different audiences with maybe the same content.
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Taruna Ramani: Great question. Elizabeth.
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Taruna Ramani: So you have to be clear about what your goal is right. What is your goal when you're talking to your audience whether it's
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Taruna Ramani: multicultural audience, your your peer group. What is your goal? That goal? Should
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Taruna Ramani: that when you're talking to your audience, when you're doing audience analysis, besides understanding their needs. Their expectations. It's important to consider the the demographics as well, right? So that you are sensitive in the way you are speaking, you are not just resonating with one section of the people in the audience. So you are resonating with
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Taruna Ramani: everyone
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Taruna Ramani: for that audience. Analysis is super duper duper important, and that gets neglected by our speakers. Right? They are trying to say what they want to say, but that's not enough, because when you're saying
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Taruna Ramani: there should be a way to communicate. That's why I said in the beginning, speaking and communication are 2 different things. In the context that we are speaking right now.
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Taruna Ramani: right? You should be able to communicate. So for that, it's important that you consider not just the needs and the expectations of your audience. Demographics, of course, plays a huge, huge role in it, too.
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Taruna Ramani: so that you are sensitive to your audience. You are able to
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Taruna Ramani: give them what they are looking for.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): That is, that is a great way to say it. There is this interesting balance between. What do I did? I get my point across. And that's very much. Just do I think I said what I wanted to say? And did the audience receive it, or
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): did
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): not? Just did it have the impact. But you know, did my audience actually get anything out of it? And for the audience, when I'm the audience member, that's when I have a great experience is partially when there's something that the person said that I was looking for. Oh, there it is! That gave me something I wanted. And so that's how do I know what my audience wants to hear from me?
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): So that is where audience analysis comes in. Right?
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Okay.
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Taruna Ramani: What are their needs? What are their expectations? What would their attitudes be? Do you feel that you'll find resistance on certain things or certain things would be more widely accepted by them, their demographics. So these are things that you will want to
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Taruna Ramani: put into. Put some thought into before you start crafting your message right?
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Well, I have a couple of minutes left with you, and I do want to make sure. I remember to ask you about this
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): wonderful post that you put for us for for me to view. Anyone's on your Linkedin profile about these closers that you say almost work every time I'm paraphrasing here. So what are what? What makes some of these closers work.
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Taruna Ramani: Again it aligns with your goal. What is your do you want to leave your audience with something to think about? Do you want them some action on what you are saying? Do you just want to recap everything so that it just stays in their mind? What is your goal? Because if you don't have a goal, or if you are
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Taruna Ramani: ignoring your goal, it's a cookie, you know.
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Taruna Ramani: I mean, you have to. You have to finish it till the end.
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Taruna Ramani: So be clear about what your goal is. Do you want to leave them with something to think about? Do you want them to take some action. Do you want to reiterate the most important parts of your speech? Right?
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Taruna Ramani: so keep those goals in mind, and then always do a closing. It could be as simple as a call to action. What do you want them to?
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Taruna Ramani: What do you want them to do?
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Yeah, well, and that's that's what I think I would like to highlight now is again the the booking one on one link on your Linkedin profile. And so that's linkedin.com forward. Slash in forward slash, taruna, hyphen, Rahmani, TARU. NA hyphen RAM. Like Mary a n like Nancy I. And so the link that I can click on is book a 1 on one session with me now.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): to teruda anything we should be looking out for coming up in the next few months, where we can listen to you or watch you.
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Taruna Ramani: What is that one? Per? You know I'm just excited about the year, you know. There are.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Never mind.
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Taruna Ramani: Workshops that I'm doing. But they are workshops that are for that particular audience, right? So
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Taruna Ramani: lot of those things.
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Taruna Ramani: But no, I'm just beyond that, I'm just excited to empower as many people as I can, so that they believe in themselves in that message, and they put it across as powerfully, impactfully as they can.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Well, thank you so much for coming to the dear business coach podcast today. And also you can expect the email that's coming out after this episode that features your episode and has your contact information in it, so we can get in touch with you directly that way. All right. Well, you know what I would look out for, maybe is in the next few months.
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Elizabeth (@DearBusinessCoachPodcast): Some exciting reports. I know you have some, as you said, some audiences to help here in 2025. So, Taruna, thank you so much for coming to the podcast and I hope you have a fantastic afternoon, and we'll talk really soon.
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Taruna Ramani: Thank you so much, Elizabeth. Thank you for this opportunity.